Honest Salary

Web and SaaS

salary transparency

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314points
191comments
#55of 2,264 in 2016
Top 3%of 2016 by points

How HN took it

CuriousMostly questions and neutral comments

5 positive, 34 neutral or asking, 2 mixed, 27 critical, out of 68 comments about the project. Thread score -0.37.

Idea: 4 for, 10 againstPrivacy: 0 for, 8 againstDesign: 0 for, 6 againstExecution: 0 for, 3 against

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What HN said

What people liked

  • Useful idea for salary transparency and data nerds

    From 2 comments
    • My company had a similar spreadsheet internally that was self-selected and it was incredibly useful. I found that I had come in at the low range for my pay band and got a $10K…
      CydeWeys on HN
    • Checked the "whois" data, the website was put together today I bet in an hour or two , and it's already on HN frontpage, well done. What's next?
      victorantos on HN

Objections

  • Self-selected data is biased and not representative

    From 3 comments
    • Just posted this to the other discussion, but it bears just the same. This is just going to be a collection of anecdotes from people who self-select to report because they feel…
      TheRealDunkirk on HN
    • It's not actually that bad. First, even in your version, the "feel goods" (high salaries) and the "complainers" (low salaries) would cancel each other out, and (assuming equal…
      coldtea on HN
    • Let's look at what someone would believe to also believe that sharing their salary is a good idea. 1. that if enough people share their salaries, it will cause salaries to revert…
      batz on HN
  • Submitting a salary with job title and company could identify people

    From 4 comments
    • Okay, before you all start adding your data there, consider the fact that it's all made public. In the UK, post codes are usually very specific (sometimes to a single building)…
      mpeg on HN
    • Am I the only one that feels shaky sharing my salary? I work at a start up and if I share my position and company it won't really be anonymous, as I am the only person at the…
      nhumrich on HN
    • pretty sure that if i put my job title, and years of XP there would be ZERO question as to WHO at my company was making that amount. hell, if i just put my job title... The…
      masukomi on HN
    • “Anonymized” data really isn’t—and here’s why not http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/09/your-secrets-live-online-in-databases-of-ruin/ So if you answer this, don't answer…
      a3n on HN
  • Glassdoor and similar sites already do this

    From 4 comments
    • Glassdoor already has a bigger pool of salaries and a longer history - consider contributing there.
      Paul_S on HN
    • Why, just why? Besides Glassdoor, there's now comparably.com (which I also question), plus Quora and mobile apps like Blind. Imho, Glassdoor is actually pretty accurate and you…
      eitally on HN
    • There is already a ton of websites to check salaries. Glassdoor is the most famous one and I made http://data.jobsintech.io last year.
      negrit on HN
    • As well noted, Glassdoor and other places already do this. Why do software developers feel compelled to constantly "invent" things we already have plenty of. Do something unique,…
      LorenzoLlamas on HN
  • Salary is negotiated, so pay is already fair and sharing may hurt negotiation

    From 3 comments
    • The assumption here is that salary is set by forces beyond the employee's control, and it's either fair or unfair. I would argue that everyone's salary is fair, b/c it's set at…
      xofer on HN
    • If I were making a good deal more than my peer what do I gain by being fair and honest. What makes it fair? Why shouldn't I make more or less by the skill of negotiation? I've…
      sosuke on HN
    • I really don't understand this. Just in the tech industry, salaries can vary drastically worth the job title even within a company. For example, as a senior front-end developer I…
      codeddesign on HN

Requests

  • Add currency field and support non-US salaries

    From 3 comments
    • > Please use US dollars, thanks! Free currency converter http://www.xe.com/ Ah, too late. And I don't think that's a good idea. Exchange rates vary. Comparing within a…
      hocuspocus on HN
    • Needs: 1) A currency field to make this globally applicable. 2) Clarification text that salaries are gross, not net. 3) Ability to select some base benefits: health, eye, dental,…
      buro9 on HN
    • Very US centric. No currency field? Not everyone expresses wages in amount/year. Are these amounts before tax? After tax?
      Tharkun on HN
  • Use HTTPS

    From 1 comment
    • I'd make this site more focus about apples to apples comparison within the same company. I.e 'Share your salary at X and invite your colleagues to do the same'. So people could…
      siliconc0w on HN
  • Group salaries by company and department or level instead of exact title

    From 1 comment
    • I'd make this site more focus about apples to apples comparison within the same company. I.e 'Share your salary at X and invite your colleagues to do the same'. So people could…
      siliconc0w on HN
  • Clarify whether salary and bonus are annual and gross

    From 2 comments
    • The biggest problem here is that you don't specify whether "Stock Value/Bonus" is annual. It should be. Otherwise you're going to get all sorts of inconsistent results. Signing…
      CydeWeys on HN
    • Needs: 1) A currency field to make this globally applicable. 2) Clarification text that salaries are gross, not net. 3) Ability to select some base benefits: health, eye, dental,…
      buro9 on HN
  • Make form fields optional and add gender option beyond binary

    From 2 comments
    • Hey if the creator is here -- you should write "optional" or mark which fields are compulsory ... or somehow indicate it's all optional. I was hesitant to enter the "Employer"…
      malux85 on HN
    • As a transgender person, I won't fill it out unless I have the option to opt out of gender identification or select "other" for gender. I'm not alone.…
      transman on HN

Questions

  • How do they ensure submissions are honest?

    From 1 comment
  • Why should people share their salary at all?

    From 2 comments
    • Take aside legal aspects, why wouldn't any employee share their salary with their peers? All the secrecy just create noise, how could transparency be bad? I only see some…
      a_imho on HN
    • If I were making a good deal more than my peer what do I gain by being fair and honest. What makes it fair? Why shouldn't I make more or less by the skill of negotiation? I've…
      sosuke on HN

Alternatives named

  • Glassdoor

    From 3 comments
    • Just posted this to the other discussion, but it bears just the same. This is just going to be a collection of anecdotes from people who self-select to report because they feel…
      TheRealDunkirk on HN
    • Glassdoor already has a bigger pool of salaries and a longer history - consider contributing there.
      Paul_S on HN
    • Why, just why? Besides Glassdoor, there's now comparably.com (which I also question), plus Quora and mobile apps like Blind. Imho, Glassdoor is actually pretty accurate and you…
      eitally on HN
  • jobsintech.io

    From 2 comments
    • There is already a ton of websites to check salaries. Glassdoor is the most famous one and I made http://data.jobsintech.io last year.
      negrit on HN
    • Comparing glassdoor and jobsintech (data.jobsintech.io), glassdoor seems to be on the low end for the few companies I reviewed. Jobsintech uses h1 visa filing data.
      Gratsby on HN
  • Blind and Quora

    From 1 comment
    • Why, just why? Besides Glassdoor, there's now comparably.com (which I also question), plus Quora and mobile apps like Blind. Imho, Glassdoor is actually pretty accurate and you…
      eitally on HN
  • AngelList salaries

    From 1 comment
    • For start up employees, what we really need is compensation tagged with company stage (seed, series A, series B, and so on). I know private entities that maintain such a…
      gkop on HN
  • talkpay_anon Twitter account

    From 1 comment
    • https://twitter.com/talkpay_anon provides similar information in tweet form. People can post anonymously to this account through http://talkpaybot.com/. Disclaimer: A friend and…
      alecmgo on HN

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