dial2verify-twilio

Security and privacy

phone number verification

SHOW HN2016

147points
62comments
#228of 2,264 in 2016
Top 11%of 2016 by points

How HN took it

CuriousMostly questions and neutral comments

1 positive, 12 neutral or asking, 0 mixed, 7 critical, out of 20 comments about the project. Thread score -0.30.

Idea: 0 for, 3 againstExecution: 0 for, 1 againstPrivacy: 0 for, 1 againstPricing: 0 for, 1 againstPerformance: 0 for, 1 against

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What HN said

Objections

  • Caller ID can be spoofed, so verification is insecure

    From 3 comments
    • I may get down voted for this and so be it, this must be said. This is a prime example of creating what was intended to be a security feature without understanding the threat…
      patcheudor on HN
    • It's relatively easy to change/fake the caller ID of phone calls so unfortunately this approach isn't really secure. That's why phone number verification usually places an…
      gst on HN
    • Basically, because there is no verification/validation surrounding caller id - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caller_ID_spoofing
      nmjohn on HN
  • Twilio may treat it as abuse or adjust pricing

    From 3 comments
    • So you can only verify, at best, one user every 90 seconds? Also, I have to assume Twilio would look at this as a form of abuse.
      DDickson on HN
    • So... Twilio adjusts their pricing in 3... 2... 1...
      jldugger on HN
    • However isn't it considered a kind of exploit? Twilio never intended users to waste their VoIP traffic. Could we also do phone verification at no cost, however instead by…
      cia48621793 on HN
  • Rate limit of about one verification per 90 seconds

    From 1 comment
    • So you can only verify, at best, one user every 90 seconds? Also, I have to assume Twilio would look at this as a form of abuse.
      DDickson on HN
  • International callers may be charged for per-minute calls

    From 2 comments
    • Are you willing to make international users pay up to 80¢ per verification? If someone cancels a call, I still have to pay for one minute (it's only free if I cancel the call).…
      Matt3o12_ on HN
    • Would 'rejecting' the call result in the calling user's operator billing them, though? This is a major concern with international usage, given phone providers' tendency to...…
      ntauthority on HN

Requests

  • Offer outbound-call verification instead of missed calls

    From 2 comments
    • However isn't it considered a kind of exploit? Twilio never intended users to waste their VoIP traffic. Could we also do phone verification at no cost, however instead by…
      cia48621793 on HN
    • It's relatively easy to change/fake the caller ID of phone calls so unfortunately this approach isn't really secure. That's why phone number verification usually places an…
      gst on HN

Questions

  • How does caller ID spoofing work

    From 1 comment
    • At the risk of sounding like I'm actually going to abuse this capability... if it's done "relatively easily", how is this done?
      wfunction on HN

Alternatives named

  • Facebook Account Kit

    From 1 comment
    • Hi, there's a free phone verification using facebook. It's account kit. https://developers.facebook.com/docs/accountkit/overview What do you guys think?
      kevindeasis on HN
  • SMS verification

    From 1 comment
    • Would 'rejecting' the call result in the calling user's operator billing them, though? This is a major concern with international usage, given phone providers' tendency to...…
      ntauthority on HN
  • Indian missed call notification system

    From 1 comment
    • Haha, this is the digital version of the Indian phenomenon of 'missed calls', used as 1-bit 0-cost notification mechanism. It's become such a cultural artifact, that big…
      neil_s on HN

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