Legal Leaf
Productivity
browser extension
SHOW HN2018
91points
41comments
#481of 2,155 in 2018
Top 23%of 2018 by points
How HN took it
MixedNo clear lean
3 positive, 10 neutral or asking, 1 mixed, 7 critical, out of 21 comments about the project. Thread score -0.15.
Idea: 1 for, 3 againstExecution: 0 for, 4 againstDesign: 1 for, 0 againstDocs: 1 for, 0 against
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What HN said
What people liked
Interesting idea and useful concept
From 3 comments
This looks really interesting! Two points: 1) A quick side-by-side of a sample Terms/Conditions versus Leaf's summarized version would be helpful. It would help me understand the…
got2surf on HNThis is awesome! One thing: it would be really cool if clicking on one of the summary text boxes brought you to where the full details are approximately located on the page. That…
tetchart on HNCan it create a small faq based on the summary, e.g. q) What happens i upload a photo to this website? a) the website owns it and can use it anywhere q) what happens when i give…
superasn on HN
Sample output or side-by-side would help
From 2 comments
This looks really interesting! Two points: 1) A quick side-by-side of a sample Terms/Conditions versus Leaf's summarized version would be helpful. It would help me understand the…
got2surf on HNHow about an example of the results it produces on your website? Might convince more people to give this time if you can show some output, given either a known T&Cs like Apple's…
harryf on HN
Objections
Summaries may miss important clauses and mislead users
From 2 comments
One concern that comes to mind if my company uses this: A user reads the auto generated summary but not the actual ToS, then does a thing that violates the ToS. The summary…
geuis on HNIf this ever becomes the norm, we might see some attempt to obfuscate Terms and Conditions which might be really interesting to see. I'm also concerned by the fact this tool…
jprissi on HN
Overstated AI/ML claims; it is mainly extractive NLP
From 2 comments
It's a cool project, I just wish its capabilities weren't being misrepresented like this. It's currently just sumy, tokenization, and summarization. Like got2surf said, you'll…
needcaffeine on HNWhen you say machine learning...do you mean NLP text summarization?
needcaffeine on HN
Tool did not work; spinner runs forever and output weak
From 2 comments
I installed it and tried running it on your site, but it just showed the "summarizing" spinner forever.
eppsilon on HNAlso tried it on https://www.humblebundle.com/terms (happened to have a bundle page open) - the output wasn't great. Coincidentally the bundle I was looking at is a bunch of ML…
eppsilon on HN
Blockchain and AI buzzwords on front page
From 2 comments
I like the concept, but using both "ai" and "blockchain" on the front page of your website triggers me.
HaHa31 on HNThere's a claim that you use blockchain technology for your technology. How's it used?
DoritoChef on HN
Requests
Show sample summary output on the site
From 3 comments
This looks really interesting! Two points: 1) A quick side-by-side of a sample Terms/Conditions versus Leaf's summarized version would be helpful. It would help me understand the…
got2surf on HNHow about an example of the results it produces on your website? Might convince more people to give this time if you can show some output, given either a known T&Cs like Apple's…
harryf on HNCan it create a small faq based on the summary, e.g. q) What happens i upload a photo to this website? a) the website owns it and can use it anywhere q) what happens when i give…
superasn on HN
Link summary clicks to the full text location
From 1 comment
This is awesome! One thing: it would be really cool if clicking on one of the summary text boxes brought you to where the full details are approximately located on the page. That…
tetchart on HN
Publish as a Firefox add-on
From 1 comment
Please publish it as a Firefox addon!
fiatjaf on HN
Use lemmatization instead of stemming
From 2 comments
This looks really interesting! Two points: 1) A quick side-by-side of a sample Terms/Conditions versus Leaf's summarized version would be helpful. It would help me understand the…
got2surf on HNIt's a cool project, I just wish its capabilities weren't being misrepresented like this. It's currently just sumy, tokenization, and summarization. Like got2surf said, you'll…
needcaffeine on HN
Questions
What happens legally if a user relies on a summary and violates the terms
From 2 comments
One concern that comes to mind if my company uses this: A user reads the auto generated summary but not the actual ToS, then does a thing that violates the ToS. The summary…
geuis on HNHey Andrew, cool product! I appreciate the work you all have put into it. I have a few things that crossed my mind: If the TOS can be summarized into a shortened version that is…
sinab on HN
How is the summarization technically done and how is reliability improved
From 2 comments
This looks really interesting! Two points: 1) A quick side-by-side of a sample Terms/Conditions versus Leaf's summarized version would be helpful. It would help me understand the…
got2surf on HNIf this ever becomes the norm, we might see some attempt to obfuscate Terms and Conditions which might be really interesting to see. I'm also concerned by the fact this tool…
jprissi on HN
Alternatives named
tldrlegal.com
From 1 comment
Reminds me of https://tldrlegal.com, but i guess this has an AI component
swyx on HN