The Plain Contract

Productivity

legal contract template

SHOW HN2019

299points
69comments
#101of 2,195 in 2019
Top 5%of 2019 by points

How HN took it

MixedNo clear lean

2 positive, 10 neutral or asking, 2 mixed, 12 critical, out of 26 comments about the project. Thread score -0.36.

Execution: 0 for, 9 againstIdea: 2 for, 0 againstDesign: 0 for, 2 againstPricing: 0 for, 1 against

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What HN said

What people liked

  • Good idea to make contracts readable and open

    From 3 comments
    • I love the idea behind this - so many contracts are unnecessarily impossible to read. However, I am going to be really honest - as the CTO of a company who regularly hires…
      aiisahik on HN
    • I like this. Maybe make the Github repo available for people to make pull requests and issues and such? That would make it much more 'crowdsourced' imo. The freelance community…
      patrickbolle on HN
    • Haven't had a chance to review yet, but I will, and I strongly support this effort! In fact, I wrote and published a plain-language contractor agreement of my own, Fairshake,…
      kemitchell on HN

Objections

  • Clients with legal teams would redline or reject it; not balanced toward clients

    From 3 comments
    • I've seen this idea done a couple of times and it seems like the major problem with it is that while it probably works for small clients and impromptu projects, any client with a…
      tptacek on HN
    • Is this being shared with a view to getting more contributors or is it being shared with a view to it actually being used at the moment? If the latter, I would have serious…
      grabeh on HN
    • I love the idea behind this - so many contracts are unnecessarily impossible to read. However, I am going to be really honest - as the CTO of a company who regularly hires…
      aiisahik on HN
  • Missing jurisdiction handling and key terms like IP, indemnity and expenses

    From 3 comments
    • I've seen quite a few of these and whilst I love the idea, they usually have a ton of problems in them. As tptacek pointed out - there is no chance that this document would…
      ruairidhwm on HN
    • A few comments from my first quick skim, in appearance order. If you need a good contract, don't be a dufus. Hire a lawyer who will ask questions and stand professionally…
      kemitchell on HN
    • Is this being shared with a view to getting more contributors or is it being shared with a view to it actually being used at the moment? If the latter, I would have serious…
      grabeh on HN
  • Not suitable for UK IR35 situations

    From 1 comment
    • Just worth noteing this looks specific to the US freelance/contract market. I can only speak for the jurisdiction I know (and I am not a lawyer, just a former freelancer), but in…
      SimonPStevens on HN

Requests

  • Make the GitHub repo open for pull requests and issues

    From 1 comment
    • I like this. Maybe make the Github repo available for people to make pull requests and issues and such? That would make it much more 'crowdsourced' imo. The freelance community…
      patrickbolle on HN
  • Clarify IP assignment and work-for-hire mechanisms

    From 2 comments
    • A few comments from my first quick skim, in appearance order. If you need a good contract, don't be a dufus. Hire a lawyer who will ask questions and stand professionally…
      kemitchell on HN
    • Is this being shared with a view to getting more contributors or is it being shared with a view to it actually being used at the moment? If the latter, I would have serious…
      grabeh on HN

Questions

  • Why the conflict-of-interest and non-compete sections are included

    From 1 comment
    • Why is the conflict section in there at all, though? To the extent it's there now, it's conceding something clients hope to get through redlines; game-theoretically, it's pure…
      tptacek on HN

Alternatives named

  • Fairshake plain-language contractor agreement

    From 2 comments
    • Haven't had a chance to review yet, but I will, and I strongly support this effort! In fact, I wrote and published a plain-language contractor agreement of my own, Fairshake,…
      kemitchell on HN
    • I've seen this idea done a couple of times and it seems like the major problem with it is that while it probably works for small clients and impromptu projects, any client with a…
      tptacek on HN
  • Anvil online contract tool

    From 1 comment
    • Sounds like you should join forces with Anvil (Show HN post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18923229) and make this contract free to fill out online :) Full disclosure, I…
      manggit on HN
  • AIGA design contractor form packet

    From 1 comment
    • A few comments from my first quick skim, in appearance order. If you need a good contract, don't be a dufus. Hire a lawyer who will ask questions and stand professionally…
      kemitchell on HN

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