Emvi

Productivity

knowledge management interface

SHOW HN2020

263points
104comments
#173of 3,028 in 2020
Top 6%of 2020 by points

How HN took it

MixedNo clear lean

13 positive, 18 neutral or asking, 0 mixed, 10 critical, out of 41 comments about the project. Thread score -0.01.

Design: 6 for, 5 againstIdea: 3 for, 4 againstDocs: 1 for, 1 against

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What HN said

What people liked

  • Good to see keyboard navigation and shortcuts given attention

    From 2 comments
    • Always good to see companies put some effort into good keyboard navigation! If you want a keyboard-first interface for your web browser I can recommend Vimium (which I'm sure a…
      DavidVoid on HN
    • I worked for a company that made software for libraries (public and academic). It evolved over many years, starting off as a terminal session onto a mainframe. The newer windows…
      philjohn on HN
  • Commands are easier to remember than shortcuts

    From 1 comment
    • We have not found any reliable numbers on keyboard usage vs mouse input yet, but it would be quite valuable. Compared to normal shortcuts the commands are easier to remember,…
      dschramm on HN

Objections

  • Keyboard-first design is slow for users who can't touch type or on mobile

    From 2 comments
    • I suspect most people here are forgetting that the average person types slower and finds keys slower than they can point-and-click, because they can't touch type. Keyboard-first…
      Avamander on HN
    • A big issue here are mobile/touch devices. You don't want to force your users into keyboard driven interaction there. But as decent mobile support is almost a requirement…
      the_duke on HN
  • Lacks visible affordances showing what actions are possible

    From 1 comment
    • I like the idea and I would use apps like this in my own personal life, but as a UX designer this is also a super horrible experience if you don't give any affordance in the UI…
      httpsterio on HN
  • Slash shortcut is awkward on QWERTZ and AZERTY keyboards

    From 1 comment
    • Using slash ("/") for commands can slow down many users not on QWERTY keyboards because "/" requires one to press shift (e.g. QWERTZ or AZERTY keyboards)
      Quanttek on HN
  • No focus style on interactive elements, hurting keyboard accessibility

    From 1 comment
    • I'm very confused by the fact that this page itself does not have a visible focus style on interactive elements, making it very difficult for somebody who navigates the web with…
      otab111 on HN

Requests

  • Add a command help list and interactive tutorial

    From 2 comments
    • We'll add a /help command showing general usage and a list of all keys and what they do :)
      marvinblum on HN
    • We showed it to some people who are unfamiliar with command lines and they liked it. It's just that most non-technical users never encountered an interface like this, but they do…
      marvinblum on HN
  • Make command trigger key customizable

    From 1 comment
    • Good point. We are on QWERTZ aswell, so we are thinking about making it customizable at some point.
      dschramm on HN
  • Provide German language selector or better English support

    From 1 comment
    • Please add a language selector so I can read the website in English. Or maybe lose the German localization altogether. As a German native speaker, I find the German translation…
      Hackbraten on HN

Questions

  • How do you onboard users to commands?

    From 1 comment
    • I agree, that's one of the challenges we have to tackle. The commands being contextual to the page you are on helps in my point of view, but we have to explore ways of onboarding…
      dschramm on HN
  • Which open source library handles shortcuts?

    From 1 comment
    • Interesting, particularly useful for power users and high frequency usage products. Have you researched which applications have the highest penetration of keyboard usage and why?…
      nadima on HN

Alternatives named

  • Vimium

    From 1 comment
    • Always good to see companies put some effort into good keyboard navigation! If you want a keyboard-first interface for your web browser I can recommend Vimium (which I'm sure a…
      DavidVoid on HN
  • Qutebrowser

    From 1 comment
    • If you're going down that route I recommend Qutebrowser[0]. I'm a pretty staunch advocate of it since it doesn't feel at all like a "hack" of vim in the browser, and because it's…
      dijit on HN
  • Tridactyl

    From 1 comment
    • I have found tridactyl a great keyboard-driven navigation tool for browsers, with insane customizability. (Example - want to copy the git clone address into your clipboard? Just…
      yewenjie on HN
  • Emacs

    From 1 comment
    • An excellent keyboard-first interface exists already. It's called Emacs. Give it a chance. It might surprise you.
      nemoniac on HN
  • Notational Velocity, Alfred, Quicksilver, Enso

    From 1 comment
    • For (relevant) prior art, see Notational Velocity (which appears to have successors in various states, nvAlt and nvUltra). There's also Alfred, Quicksilver and Enso
      eyelidlessness on HN

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