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How HN took it
3 positive, 22 neutral or asking, 0 mixed, 11 critical, out of 36 comments about the project. Thread score -0.13.
Idea: 3 for, 11 against
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What HN said
What people liked
Good concept and hack
From 3 comments
I like this concept! Good luck with this.
jschveibinz on HNI love these sorts of hacks. In fact I did something similar with a project called rget[1] two thoughts: 1. My project got politely asked to not use the ct log and lets encrypt…
philips on HNThis is a good hack, even with some very light abuse (once per 12 hours) of CT logs. I don't see the need to build new tech though. It should be trivial to build a CRUD layer…
anilgulecha on HN
Objections
Abuses Certificate Transparency logs
From 2 comments
Abusing CT log is unethical. For practical purposes DKIM signatures in emails would do the trick. Write an email to yourself, or to someone you trust, its DKIM will include the…
sam_lowry_ on HNA bunch of comments below indicated that this is technically an abuse of the CT logs. Feel free to use Sigstore instead for this, it's basically the same architecture as CT logs…
dlor on HN
Existing timestamping standards and services already exist (RFC 3161, OpenTimestamps, Sigstore)
From 4 comments
As another commenter noted, there's a general internet standard defined already for cryptographically timestamping and signing digital artifacts, like JARs, PDFs, dotNet…
vjaswal on HNAlternatively, every large CA maintains a public TSA server (time-stamping authority), because it's an integral part of the code signing framework. These are meant for high…
eps on HNThere's also https://opentimestamps.org/ for timestamping into the bitcoin blockchain using a 'calendar aggregation' concept. Clients get back a merkle tree of hashes that can be…
kanzure on HNA bunch of comments below indicated that this is technically an abuse of the CT logs. Feel free to use Sigstore instead for this, it's basically the same architecture as CT logs…
dlor on HN
Unclear value proposition beyond patents, which have moved to first-to-file
From 3 comments
I'm not sure what the value proposition is here. Is the idea that you want to use this later to tell others you had the idea first, or to protect your IP? If so, I could…
headsoup on HNOutside of patents, which is already a thing, with a very large legal framework around it. Why is that important?
onethought on HNUnder Obama, the America invents acts switched patent IP ownership to first to file. Inventing something first no longer matters in patent law.
geraldwhen on HN
Timestamps can be faked or the trust model is weak
From 2 comments
They can be faked. This, supposedly, cannot.
madeofpalk on HNIt's verifiable. Your approach is just "trust me bro".
IshKebab on HN
Requests
Use Sigstore instead of CT logs
From 2 comments
A bunch of comments below indicated that this is technically an abuse of the CT logs. Feel free to use Sigstore instead for this, it's basically the same architecture as CT logs…
dlor on HNI love these sorts of hacks. In fact I did something similar with a project called rget[1] two thoughts: 1. My project got politely asked to not use the ct log and lets encrypt…
philips on HN
Questions
What is the use case and who would use it
From 2 comments
Seems like an interesting problem, but I have zero background knowledge. Could you share who would use this and why?
productceo on HNThe only thing I don't get, and forgive me if it's a dumb question, what's the difference with say sending yourself an email/making a github repo/entry/any timestamped note?
Trufa on HN
Alternatives named
RFC 3161 timestamp authorities
From 1 comment
As another commenter noted, there's a general internet standard defined already for cryptographically timestamping and signing digital artifacts, like JARs, PDFs, dotNet…
vjaswal on HN
OpenTimestamps (Bitcoin)
From 1 comment
There's also https://opentimestamps.org/ for timestamping into the bitcoin blockchain using a 'calendar aggregation' concept. Clients get back a merkle tree of hashes that can be…
kanzure on HN
Sigstore
From 1 comment
A bunch of comments below indicated that this is technically an abuse of the CT logs. Feel free to use Sigstore instead for this, it's basically the same architecture as CT logs…
dlor on HN
Zeitgitter
From 1 comment
As far as I understand there's also Zeitgitter[1], to provide similar proof. [1] https://github.com/zeitgitter/zeitgitterd
lichtenberger on HN
Emailing yourself or posting hashes publicly
From 2 comments
The only thing I don't get, and forgive me if it's a dumb question, what's the difference with say sending yourself an email/making a github repo/entry/any timestamped note?
Trufa on HNFor anyone who’s interested in a quick and dirty way to do it, I just post the sha256 to Twitter/some public forum and reveal when I feel like it
nstart on HN