human eyes only

Security and privacy

document obfuscation

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216points
126comments
#255of 2,570 in 2022
Top 10%of 2022 by points

How HN took it

RoastedHalf or more of the comments are critical

4 positive, 15 neutral or asking, 4 mixed, 52 critical, out of 75 comments about the project. Thread score -0.52.

Privacy: 0 for, 18 againstIdea: 3 for, 12 againstExecution: 0 for, 10 againstDesign: 1 for, 4 againstDocs: 0 for, 5 against

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What HN said

What people liked

  • Clever, elegant approach to thwarting non-targeted scrapers

    From 2 comments
    • I think people will get tripped up by you saying it "can't" be OCR'd or that it is difficult to do so, and will end up looking past a pretty elegant solution in the process. This…
      jffry on HN
    • It takes the embedded font out of your PDF, and then maps non-latin characters (japanese, cyrillic, etc) to render as if they looked like a latin character. So in the example on…
      viggity on HN
  • Polished site and implementation

    From 2 comments
    • I like your intent (helping your friend), and I'm _REALLY_ impressed at the polish (clever name, nice looking website, convert-for-free microservice) but I'm sad to report (like…
      loxias on HN
    • Impressive, the example web text area is very lovely too
      hexo on HN

Objections

  • Built-in or standard OCR (rasterize then OCR) defeats it easily

    From 4 comments
    • This is broken in multiple ways, some obvious, some not. 1. Obviously most people jumped directly to OCR, and that works of course. So counter to the OP, you can trivially render…
      bscphil on HN
    • > As such, when you try to OCR these files, it doesn't see any images and can't convert it. That isn't true. Acrobat might skip parts of the PDF that it thinks are already…
      solardev on HN
    • Using CLI OCR, I am getting a 100% match: `Name: Satoshi Nakamoto DOB: 1982-06-05 SSN: 958-20-3141 Cell Phone: 514-867-5309`
      hartator on HN
    • MacOS does OCR on this just fine. Screenshot, open in Preview, and select, copy, paste: Name: Satoshi Nakamoto DOB: 1982-06-05 SSN: 958-20-3141 Cell Phone: 514-867-5309
      s1mon on HN
  • Harms accessibility for screen readers and copy-paste

    From 3 comments
    • This is terrible for accessibility, please don't do this.
      dawnerd on HN
    • The reason - to make it only readable by human eyes - doesn’t make sense. It is always only ever readable by human eyes since bots don’t have eyes. You don’t mean eyes, but…
      justshowpost on HN
    • I am a blind user using an extension to my screen reader which (under the covers) uses the Windows 10 built-in OCR. Your sample document gives me: INTRODUCTION The Cybersecurity…
      ctoth on HN
  • Name and framing are misleading about OCR

    From 2 comments
    • I understand that. And I understand your personal use case was valid. But I think your "Human Eyes Only" name and domain is a little deceptive.
      bil7 on HN
    • Of course. The OP doesn't understand what "OCR" actually means.
      bambax on HN
  • Substitution cipher is trivially broken by frequency analysis

    From 1 comment
    • This is broken in multiple ways, some obvious, some not. 1. Obviously most people jumped directly to OCR, and that works of course. So counter to the OP, you can trivially render…
      bscphil on HN

Requests

  • Suggestions for stronger OCR-resistant transforms

    From 1 comment
    • I like your intent (helping your friend), and I'm _REALLY_ impressed at the polish (clever name, nice looking website, convert-for-free microservice) but I'm sad to report (like…
      loxias on HN

Questions

Alternatives named

  • Password-protected PDFs and watermarks

    From 2 comments
    • Password-protect (i.e. encrypt) the documents and provide the passwords on a separate piece of paper with your reasoning and concerns clearly laid out. This won't prevent the…
      hda2 on HN
    • > afraid his ex was going to leak all of his discovery documents on the internet Any chance of getting a clear protective order in advance from the judge, and then enforcing that…
      schoen on HN
  • ZXX typeface

    From 1 comment
    • You could use the ZXX typeface to defy OCR: https://walkerart.org/magazine/sang-mun-defiant-typeface-nsa-privacy It’s probably still not ML-resistant.
      layer8 on HN
  • Protective court orders

    From 1 comment
    • > afraid his ex was going to leak all of his discovery documents on the internet Any chance of getting a clear protective order in advance from the judge, and then enforcing that…
      schoen on HN

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