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steganography messaging

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23comments
#612of 2,570 in 2022
Top 24%of 2022 by points

How HN took it

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2 positive, 5 neutral or asking, 0 mixed, 3 critical, out of 10 comments about the project. Thread score -0.12.

Idea: 2 for, 2 againstPrivacy: 0 for, 1 against

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What HN said

What people liked

  • Interesting idea for a censorship-resistant steganography tool

    From 2 comments
    • Maybe with the text generating models (GPT-3 etc) we can soon create steganography solution, which hides your real message inside innocent looking casual messages generated from…
      jpalomaki on HN
    • I thought about building something like this as a browser extension that would work on Facebook. It would not only make censorship more difficult, it would also make it harder…
      gnicholas on HN

Objections

  • Steganography is easy to detect by a state actor

    From 2 comments
    • Reminds me of this very cool zero width steg project: https://github.com/vedhavyas/zwfp I used the go code to develop an iOS app that, while I and my friends thought was very…
      popcalc on HN
    • Something similar using random spaces is here. But its possible to decrypted by anyone since there is no password https://neatnik.net/steganographr/
      fariszr on HN
  • Small user base means messages get lost; large adoption invites a ban

    From 1 comment
    • It is a noble effort, but you still have the same dilemma: * if only few people is using it, then the messages will be lost * if somehow this gain popularity, then the authority…
      derekzhouzhen on HN
  • Single-word passwords are brute-forceable

    From 1 comment
    • >Hina protects your images posted online or sent to others by encrypting them with a password... Like just a single word? Why wouldn't that be trivially brute forceable? Since…
      upofadown on HN
  • Apple App Store removal risk in China

    From 1 comment

Requests

  • Use a public key system instead of passwords

    From 1 comment
    • >Hina protects your images posted online or sent to others by encrypting them with a password... Like just a single word? Why wouldn't that be trivially brute forceable? Since…
      upofadown on HN
  • Make it work on mobile and as a browser extension

    From 2 comments
    • Ordinary people can use browser extensions OK on desktop, but on mobile it's a mess. Chrome for Android doesn't support extensions, and no one uses the Android browsers that do.…
      gnicholas on HN
    • Yes! I'm right now creating a steganography scheme with an NLP model. We've actually tried implementing a browser extension before. The problem is ordinary people just don't use…
      yvbbrjdr on HN

Questions

  • How to get users to adopt it when they are already on WeChat

    From 2 comments
    • Thanks for your advice! However, there are several problems with self hosted platforms in China. 1. People are unaware of their existence due to those projects being very…
      yvbbrjdr on HN
    • As for getting people to join. LEAVE THE APPLE WALLED GARDEN. After that it's entirely as easy as sticking up QR codes of equivalent. I'm not talking about working within the…
      rob_c on HN

Alternatives named

  • Matrix or self-hosted chat platforms

    From 1 comment
    • Or, matrix, mattermost or any self hosted platform where you can control the keys and host yourself... Biggest issue as you highlight is userbase which frankly, if you're serious…
      rob_c on HN
  • Boom, a similar encryption app removed from Apple's App Store

    From 1 comment
    • I thought I had heard about this app before, but turns out that it was a similar app named Boom:…
      yorwba on HN
  • Steganographr and zero-width steganography tools

    From 2 comments
    • Something similar using random spaces is here. But its possible to decrypted by anyone since there is no password https://neatnik.net/steganographr/
      fariszr on HN
    • Reminds me of this very cool zero width steg project: https://github.com/vedhavyas/zwfp I used the go code to develop an iOS app that, while I and my friends thought was very…
      popcalc on HN

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