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steganography messaging
SHOW HN2022
How HN took it
2 positive, 5 neutral or asking, 0 mixed, 3 critical, out of 10 comments about the project. Thread score -0.12.
Idea: 2 for, 2 againstPrivacy: 0 for, 1 against
The thread, comment by comment
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What HN said
What people liked
Interesting idea for a censorship-resistant steganography tool
From 2 comments
Maybe with the text generating models (GPT-3 etc) we can soon create steganography solution, which hides your real message inside innocent looking casual messages generated from…
jpalomaki on HNI thought about building something like this as a browser extension that would work on Facebook. It would not only make censorship more difficult, it would also make it harder…
gnicholas on HN
Objections
Steganography is easy to detect by a state actor
From 2 comments
Reminds me of this very cool zero width steg project: https://github.com/vedhavyas/zwfp I used the go code to develop an iOS app that, while I and my friends thought was very…
popcalc on HNSomething similar using random spaces is here. But its possible to decrypted by anyone since there is no password https://neatnik.net/steganographr/
fariszr on HN
Small user base means messages get lost; large adoption invites a ban
From 1 comment
It is a noble effort, but you still have the same dilemma: * if only few people is using it, then the messages will be lost * if somehow this gain popularity, then the authority…
derekzhouzhen on HN
Single-word passwords are brute-forceable
From 1 comment
>Hina protects your images posted online or sent to others by encrypting them with a password... Like just a single word? Why wouldn't that be trivially brute forceable? Since…
upofadown on HN
Apple App Store removal risk in China
From 1 comment
Requests
Use a public key system instead of passwords
From 1 comment
>Hina protects your images posted online or sent to others by encrypting them with a password... Like just a single word? Why wouldn't that be trivially brute forceable? Since…
upofadown on HN
Make it work on mobile and as a browser extension
From 2 comments
Ordinary people can use browser extensions OK on desktop, but on mobile it's a mess. Chrome for Android doesn't support extensions, and no one uses the Android browsers that do.…
gnicholas on HNYes! I'm right now creating a steganography scheme with an NLP model. We've actually tried implementing a browser extension before. The problem is ordinary people just don't use…
yvbbrjdr on HN
Questions
How to get users to adopt it when they are already on WeChat
From 2 comments
Thanks for your advice! However, there are several problems with self hosted platforms in China. 1. People are unaware of their existence due to those projects being very…
yvbbrjdr on HNAs for getting people to join. LEAVE THE APPLE WALLED GARDEN. After that it's entirely as easy as sticking up QR codes of equivalent. I'm not talking about working within the…
rob_c on HN
Alternatives named
Matrix or self-hosted chat platforms
From 1 comment
Or, matrix, mattermost or any self hosted platform where you can control the keys and host yourself... Biggest issue as you highlight is userbase which frankly, if you're serious…
rob_c on HN
Boom, a similar encryption app removed from Apple's App Store
From 1 comment
I thought I had heard about this app before, but turns out that it was a similar app named Boom:…
yorwba on HN
Steganographr and zero-width steganography tools
From 2 comments
Something similar using random spaces is here. But its possible to decrypted by anyone since there is no password https://neatnik.net/steganographr/
fariszr on HNReminds me of this very cool zero width steg project: https://github.com/vedhavyas/zwfp I used the go code to develop an iOS app that, while I and my friends thought was very…
popcalc on HN