Stella Nera

Hardware

ai accelerator chip

SHOW HN2023

154points
26comments
#396of 3,109 in 2023
Top 13%of 2023 by points

How HN took it

CuriousMostly questions and neutral comments

5 positive, 6 neutral or asking, 0 mixed, 1 critical, out of 12 comments about the project. Thread score +0.28.

Idea: 3 for, 0 againstPerformance: 1 for, 1 against

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What HN said

What people liked

  • Exciting energy-efficiency results and potential for LLMs on devices

    From 3 comments
    • I am surprised that they do not mention comparing against quantized matrix multiplication because their "encoding" appears to be something like a quantization step with unevenly…
      fxtentacle on HN
    • That's the beauty of their method: If you can replace a 8192x8192 matrix multiplication with a 8192x256 decision tree and then a 256x8192 look up table, your memory requirements…
      fxtentacle on HN
    • Mind blown. Sounds almost too good to be true except the human brain runs on 20W and this brings us to the same ballpark. This was hard scifi a year ago! Can an approach like…
      baq on HN

Objections

  • Comparison against TPUv3 is unfair since TPU is a datacenter chip

    From 1 comment
    • Thank you for the feedback :-) We have to be careful with the comparisons we make. The TPUv3 is a training and datacenter chip and not an Edge/Inference chip. They optimise for a…
      joennlae on HN
  • RAM access latency would limit gains on regular CPUs

    From 1 comment
    • I'd expect that on a regular CPU, the RAM access latency will destroy any performance improvements. This work is much better suited for FPGAs or ASICs.
      fxtentacle on HN
  • 0.5-bit quantization effectiveness questioned versus 4-bit schemes

    From 1 comment
    • Based on the first figure in the paper, it seems that this scheme effectively turns 8 input values into a 4-bit number, thus giving an effective 0.5-bit quantization. Considering…
      devit on HN

Questions

  • Where and how the technology can be used and its overall impact

    From 1 comment
    • Ok, I get excited by seeing the numbers, but can someone please explain in a single sentence where this can be used and how big the overall impact would be?
      jansan on HN
  • Whether LoRA-style adaptation is possible given hardcoded matmul

    From 2 comments
    • This is a dumb question but I guess this means that you can't make something like a LoRA in software, right? Because the network is physically hardcoded?
      ilaksh on HN
    • No, the network is not hardcoded, you can build any network you want. Only the expensive step, the matmul, is hardcoded.
      ddalex on HN
  • Why the name Stella Nera

    From 1 comment
    • As you are the author: why the name Stella Nera / Black Star?
      pmontra on HN

Alternatives named

  • Quantized matrix multiplication

    From 1 comment
    • I am surprised that they do not mention comparing against quantized matrix multiplication because their "encoding" appears to be something like a quantization step with unevenly…
      fxtentacle on HN
  • Binary and ternary neural networks (BNN/TNN) and pruning

    From 1 comment
    • Author here: Let me try to give an overview as I saw some questions repeating itself. * This accelerator is for an Edge/Inference case, so there is no training on this chip. * We…
      joennlae on HN

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