nvlope.com
Productivity
email client
SHOW HN2013
65points
28comments
#392of 1,739 in 2013
Top 23%of 2013 by points
How HN took it
DebatedReal support and real criticism
4 positive, 2 neutral or asking, 4 mixed, 6 critical, out of 16 comments about the project. Thread score -0.08.
Idea: 3 for, 2 againstPrivacy: 1 for, 2 againstExecution: 0 for, 2 against
The thread, comment by comment
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What HN said
What people liked
Enterprise self-hosted option wanted
From 2 comments
Enterprise option to keep it on our own servers and I'm sold. (Policy forbids SaaS and the like)
rMBP on HNGuys, that's exactly what we need! Just launch now, seriously. Building a backend for an email client is such a pain and I can imagine how this could save lives. But we'd love to…
martinesko36 on HN
Interesting API approach to email
From 2 comments
I welcome new projects into the email space -- especially those that contribute something to the open conversation around email. Sadly you only offer an api -- not an open server…
e12e on HNLike the idea of normalizing email behind a web API, but don't see how this can survive if there is any credible open-source alternative. I can't imagine that the number of…
javajosh on HN
Objections
IMAP already covers most features; the claimed limits are overstated
From 2 comments
> We want to be able to add new features that would exceed the scope of IMAP. Further, the current mail stack was just not built for a good mobile experience, and it's complexity…
calpaterson on HN> Well, could you add instant messaging functionality to IMAP? IMAP does not reimplement XMPP, which I consider a feature. If you want instant messaging, you should use XMPP, and…
calpaterson on HN
Privacy concerns: hosted on US services and Cloudflare inspects traffic
From 1 comment
It looks like the mail exchanger is (currently) hosted on Digital Ocean in New York. They also use CloudFlare in front of the site, which means all your webmail or API traffic…
dsl on HN
Not open source and not self-hostable
From 1 comment
I welcome new projects into the email space -- especially those that contribute something to the open conversation around email. Sadly you only offer an api -- not an open server…
e12e on HN
Landing page broken without JavaScript and on mobile
From 2 comments
The (minor) bad first: your landing page is utterly broken without JavaScript (I use NoScript, and while I whitelist most sites, a broken page before setting that still leaves a…
psquid on HNJust letting you know that the landing page is broken on mobile
mck- on HN
Requests
Self-hosted or on-premises version
From 2 comments
Guys, that's exactly what we need! Just launch now, seriously. Building a backend for an email client is such a pain and I can imagine how this could save lives. But we'd love to…
martinesko36 on HNEnterprise option to keep it on our own servers and I'm sold. (Policy forbids SaaS and the like)
rMBP on HN
Two-factor authentication
From 1 comment
Love where this is headed. Could you comment on security with nvlope? I'm curious in particular about two-factor auth, but anymore insight would be great.
balanceiskey15 on HN
Clearer tagline explaining the product
From 1 comment
This sounds like an awesome idea, and a product I'd definitely use. Just a tip though - I had to read halfway down the page just to find out what nvlope.com IS (an email client…
robbles on HN
Questions
What new features go beyond IMAP?
From 1 comment
> We want to be able to add new features that would exceed the scope of IMAP. Further, the current mail stack was just not built for a good mobile experience, and it's complexity…
calpaterson on HN
Is it building both the mail provider layer and the UI, and running its own relays?
From 1 comment
This is really cool! Are you building both the mail provider layer and the UI? (Not clear from the description.) Are you running your own mail relays? I've actually been working…
grinich on HN
Alternatives named
Mailpile
From 2 comments
> We want to be able to add new features that would exceed the scope of IMAP. Further, the current mail stack was just not built for a good mobile experience, and it's complexity…
calpaterson on HNI welcome new projects into the email space -- especially those that contribute something to the open conversation around email. Sadly you only offer an api -- not an open server…
e12e on HN
IMAP clients such as K-9 Mail
From 1 comment
> We want to be able to add new features that would exceed the scope of IMAP. Further, the current mail stack was just not built for a good mobile experience, and it's complexity…
calpaterson on HN
Gmail
From 1 comment
Google's products have been sapping my desire to build things. It used to be that we had to build our own tools to do thing like edit code, send email with a quick workflow, etc.…
jluxenberg on HN