Vision Zero Reporting

Learning and science

journalism analysis

SHOW HN2021

344points
205comments
#97of 2,533 in 2021
Top 4%of 2021 by points

How HN took it

DebatedReal support and real criticism

17 positive, 20 neutral or asking, 4 mixed, 24 critical, out of 65 comments about the project. Thread score -0.08.

Idea: 12 for, 22 againstExecution: 3 for, 1 againstDesign: 1 for, 1 against

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What HN said

What people liked

  • Interesting NLP application in a focused domain.

    From 2 comments
    • I like it. I like that it tags segments of text as opposed to the document as a whole. Since it is confined to a domain and has a well-chosen problem it seems to be highly…
      PaulHoule on HN
    • Hi HN, I built "Vision Zero Reporting" (https://visionzeroreporting.com), a tool to detect editorial anti-patterns in local news coverage of car crashes. Maybe you've noticed…
      chiefofgxbxl on HN
  • Useful insight that reframing accidents as crashes matters.

    From 1 comment
    • Here’s why the reframing matters: Accidents are “oops” that are to accepted as fact of life. The no reason to change the system. Accidents happen. Crashes are not accidents. They…
      markstos on HN

Objections

  • Shifts blame onto drivers instead of addressing systemic road design.

    From 2 comments
    • this seems to me like it's designed to shift the blame from unilaterally on the VRU (bad), to unilaterally on the driver (also bad). You pay lip service to systemic problems, but…
      beaconstudios on HN
    • This is neat, but something bugs me about the framing of the intended goal versus how you propose to get there. If the intent is to raise public awareness and to put pressure on…
      dymk on HN
  • Feels like manipulating language to push a viewpoint.

    From 1 comment
    • I'm afraid I find this somewhere between creepy and ridiculous. On the ridiculous side: the idea that calling a car accident an "accident" is somehow wrong - as if, because I…
      dash2 on HN
  • Calling 'accident' wrong is questionable; the term is defined as negligence-based.

    From 1 comment
    • I like the general idea, and the use of NLP to implement it. But I am dubious about some of the principles behind it. - For example, I find it inaccurate to say "the driver hit…
      fermigier on HN
  • Some classifications are wrong, e.g. vehicle naming and VRU detection.

    From 2 comments
    • Thanks for linking this issue, and I'll certainly look into it. I agree with your analysis on Twitter: manually annotating the article should yield the following issues: 1.…
      chiefofgxbxl on HN
    • Thanks for alerting me to this - that sentence is itself fine, and the tool is incorrectly marking it as problematic. I'll debug that!
      chiefofgxbxl on HN

Requests

  • Better handling of thematic framing detection.

    From 2 comments
    • This is neat, but something bugs me about the framing of the intended goal versus how you propose to get there. If the intent is to raise public awareness and to put pressure on…
      dymk on HN
    • This is a great question and I agree with you entirely. Ultimately, Framing (thematic vs. episodic) is the most important consideration for these articles. It's important for…
      chiefofgxbxl on HN
  • Recognize context such as road design and lighting.

    From 1 comment
    • Respectfully, I think you're demonstrating the sort of thinking the corpus of research surrounding this seeks to shine a spotlight on: blaming the victim, rather than focusing on…
      chiefofgxbxl on HN
  • Apply the tool to other domains like gun crime reporting.

    From 1 comment

Questions

  • How to define counterfactual and accident in this context.

    From 2 comments
    • Thanks for the feedback. There seems to be some conflict with how to define "counterfactual". Merriam-Webster defines it as "contrary to fact" [1], so that comes down to a…
      chiefofgxbxl on HN
    • I like the general idea, and the use of NLP to implement it. But I am dubious about some of the principles behind it. - For example, I find it inaccurate to say "the driver hit…
      fermigier on HN
  • How to augment training data for thematic elements.

    From 1 comment
    • This is a great question and I agree with you entirely. Ultimately, Framing (thematic vs. episodic) is the most important consideration for these articles. It's important for…
      chiefofgxbxl on HN

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