Nabla Copilot

AI

clinical documentation ai

SHOW HN2023

117points
137comments
#546of 3,109 in 2023
Top 18%of 2023 by points

How HN took it

MixedNo clear lean

18 positive, 35 neutral or asking, 3 mixed, 31 critical, out of 87 comments about the project. Thread score -0.11.

Idea: 11 for, 7 againstPrivacy: 1 for, 17 againstPerformance: 0 for, 4 againstExecution: 1 for, 1 againstDesign: 0 for, 2 against

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What HN said

Objections

  • Privacy concerns about sending patient conversations to a third party cloud

    From 3 comments
    • As a patient, this is an application that I would be extremely wary of, personally. I don't want the details of my conversations with my doctor to be sent to a third party in the…
      JohnFen on HN
    • I like the idea, but I would like it even more if it was on-prem. The doctors (at least in EU) will be very wary of having their client meeting essentially recorded by a third…
      v4dok on HN
    • I'd prefer to have 0 AI interpreting my session with a doctor. Will there be any way for me to identify which physicians use this service so that I can avoid using them?
      ysavir on HN
  • Hallucinated or wrong transcription risks patient safety

    From 3 comments
    • This is the scariest real life attempt to use the bullshit machine I’ve seen so far. Nothing like “subtly wrong” clinical notes to affect positive medical outcomes. And time…
      NorthOf33rd on HN
    • Is Whisper really up to this? When I've used it, it's...fine. But it also randomly dreams up weird transcriptions that have nothing to do with what's actually being said, and…
      norgie on HN
    • My worry is verification of facts. What if the model summarized incorrect facts, and it gets added to the medical history? How can doctors easily verify and fix things?
      priyanmuthu on HN
  • HIPAA compliance unclear; HIPAA-eligible wording criticised

    From 3 comments
    • From their main page (https://www.nabla.com/), the mention HIPAA: Secure and HIPAA-eligible ``` Audio, transcripts, and notes are not stored by Nabla HIPAA-eligible and GDPR…
      freshpots on HN
    • What does "HIPAA-eligible" mean?
      JohnFen on HN
    • Either they are offering to sign a HIPAA BAA or they aren’t. If they aren’t, its HIPAA-radioactive. HIPAA-eligible for this kind of service is meaningless; when you have PHI…
      dragonwriter on HN
  • Problem already solved by existing dictation and scribe services

    From 2 comments
    • Pretext: My wife is a psychiatrist. Via her, I'm am close friends with many doctors. Also, I know it's super easy to be critical, but I'm going to save you an insane amount of…
      SkyPuncher on HN
    • Of course, medical dictation is a whole industry. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/Healthcare/Medical-transcriptionists.htm
      sp332 on HN

Requests

  • Support for on-premise deployment

    From 1 comment
    • I like the idea, but I would like it even more if it was on-prem. The doctors (at least in EU) will be very wary of having their client meeting essentially recorded by a third…
      v4dok on HN
  • Clarify HIPAA compliance and sign BAAs

    From 2 comments

Questions

  • Is it HIPAA compliant and how are two-party consent states handled

    From 1 comment
    • I feel uncomfortable knowing doctor would use anything like this. How are 2 party consent states handled? Is this HIPPA compliant?
      avgDev on HN
  • What is OpenAI's data retention and training policy

    From 1 comment
    • What is OpenAI's privacy policy? How do you ensure the transcription doesn't get stored by OpenAI or used in training their future LLM versions? I'd recommend looking at a fully…
      gigel82 on HN
  • How accurate is it compared to Google Speech-to-Text and human medical secretaries

    From 1 comment
    • > We then transcribe the consultation using a fine-tuned version of Whisper. We've trained Whisper with tens of thousands of hours of medical consultation and medical terms…
      cinntaile on HN

Alternatives named

  • M-Modal, Dragon and telephone transcription services

    From 1 comment
    • Pretext: My wife is a psychiatrist. Via her, I'm am close friends with many doctors. Also, I know it's super easy to be critical, but I'm going to save you an insane amount of…
      SkyPuncher on HN
  • Medical scribes and medical transcriptionists

    From 2 comments
    • That job is known as a medical scribe. https://www.scribeamerica.com/what-is-a-medical-scribe/ > A Medical Scribe is a revolutionary concept in modern medicine. Traditionally, a…
      shagie on HN
    • Of course, medical dictation is a whole industry. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/Healthcare/Medical-transcriptionists.htm
      sp332 on HN

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