Apfel
AI
local llm cli
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How HN took it
15 positive, 39 neutral or asking, 5 mixed, 20 critical, out of 79 comments about the project. Thread score -0.04.
Performance: 4 for, 7 againstExecution: 1 for, 5 againstIdea: 5 for, 0 againstDesign: 1 for, 4 againstPrivacy: 1 for, 1 against
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What people liked
Free, fully local, and fast to load for quick tasks
From 3 comments
4,096 token context window is pretty limiting. That's roughly 3,000 words — fine for "summarize this paragraph" but not enough for anything that needs real context. Still, zero…
kangraemin on HNBoltAI also does this, but a CLI tool is nice. It’s a nice LLM because it seems fairly decent and it loads instantly and uses the CPU neural engine. The GPU is faster but when I…
api on HNStarted using this earlier this week. I built a backtesting benchmark tool to compare a mix of frontier and open-source models on a fairly heavy data analysis workflow I’d been…
Multiplayer on HN
Good result on a custom backtesting task
From 1 comment
Started using this earlier this week. I built a backtesting benchmark tool to compare a mix of frontier and open-source models on a fairly heavy data analysis workflow I’d been…
Multiplayer on HN
Objections
Small 4k token context window limits real use
From 3 comments
4,096 token context window is pretty limiting. That's roughly 3,000 words — fine for "summarize this paragraph" but not enough for anything that needs real context. Still, zero…
kangraemin on HNthe 2 hard limits of Appel Intelligence Foundation Model and therefor apfel is the 4k token context window and the super hard guardrails (the model prefers to tell you nothing…
franze on HNThis is similar to something I was playing around with last month-- basically just a CLI for accessing the foundational models. https://github.com/ehamiter/afm It's really handy…
EddieLomax on HN
Inconsistent and incorrect answers, including math and time zones
From 2 comments
Saw this in an another thread previously and immediately installed it. I have a new prompt to test LLMs much like simonw's pelican test. "What is 9:30am Taiwan time in US,…
newman314 on HN1. Hugely non-deterministic: repeat queries give vastly different responses. 2. Often returns incorrect and inconsistent results even for mathematical queries. 3. Often the…
contingencies on HN
Hallucinates answers about unknown people and companies
From 1 comment
Wow - the model really hallucinates without hesitation. I asked a number of "What do you know about [person, company, etc]?" questions and rather than realizing that it didn't…
zopf on HN
Landing page feels overly marketing-heavy
From 2 comments
Looks like a nice wrapper around the APIs. Extremely oversold landing page, very marketing heavy for what it is. You can actually make nice looking landing pages that are about…
furyofantares on HNI find the branding to be a little odd. Like, it should be a github page with a README that says "here's how to use this." Like, the full explanation of this project is right…
andy_xor_andrew on HN
Requires Tahoe macOS 26 and Apple Intelligence enabled
From 2 comments
You have to enable Apple Intelligence so that's a hard no from me. I'll stick to LM Studio and gpt-oss/qwen. Very cool project though.
walthamstow on HNTahoe+ only
sys_64738 on HN
Requests
MCP tool calling support
From 1 comment
Interesting approach. I've been building MCP tools for AI agents recently and the local-first model makes a lot of sense for privacy-sensitive use cases. Does Apfel support MCP…
Xentyon on HN
Streaming output support
From 1 comment
4,096 token context window is pretty limiting. That's roughly 3,000 words — fine for "summarize this paragraph" but not enough for anything that needs real context. Still, zero…
kangraemin on HN
Support for older macOS versions
From 2 comments
Any know if these only installed on Tahoe? I'm running Sequoia still and get an error about model not found.
elcritch on HNIs this for Tahoe only? I’m still clutching onto Sequoia
als0 on HN
Questions
Is it safe from other local apps and webpages hitting the local port via CORS
From 2 comments
I’ve seen several projects like this that offer a network server with access to these Apple models. The danger is when they expose that, even on a loop port, to every other…
brians on HNDoes the local LLM have access to personal information from the Apple account associated with the logged-in user? Maybe through a RAG pipeline or similar? Just curious if there…
nose-wuzzy-pad on HN
Does it run on the Neural Engine or GPU
From 2 comments
> Apple locked it behind Siri. apfel sets it free This doesn't feel truthful, it sounds like this tool is a hack that unlocks something. If I understand it correctly, it's using…
frontsideair on HNBoltAI also does this, but a CLI tool is nice. It’s a nice LLM because it seems fairly decent and it loads instantly and uses the CPU neural engine. The GPU is faster but when I…
api on HN
How does it compare with other local models like Qwen in LM Studio
From 2 comments
How does this model compare against other local models like Qwen run through LMStudio?
satvikpendem on HNInteresting. How does this foundational model compares with other LLMs?
witnessme on HN
Alternatives named
LM Studio with gpt-oss or Qwen
From 1 comment
You have to enable Apple Intelligence so that's a hard no from me. I'll stick to LM Studio and gpt-oss/qwen. Very cool project though.
walthamstow on HN
BoltAI
From 1 comment
BoltAI also does this, but a CLI tool is nice. It’s a nice LLM because it seems fairly decent and it loads instantly and uses the CPU neural engine. The GPU is faster but when I…
api on HN
Handy for local voice input
From 1 comment
On a similar bent, I recently discovered Handy (cross-platform) which is very well implemented local voice input: https://handy.computer/ ... serious finger saver and ideal for…
contingencies on HN
aiME on iOS and Android
From 2 comments
Love seeing this space grow. Been running local AI on my phone via aiME — same concept but iOS/Android, with offline voice, vision, and custom personas. Subscriptions felt like a…
aimemobe on HNNice project. The mobile equivalent worth mentioning: aiME does this on iPhone and Android — runs Qwen, Mistral, Gemma entirely on-device with no internet after download.…
aimemobe on HN